Copied by Wen-Kai 9/7/02.
Edited some minor content and spelling by Wen-Kai 9/7/02.
(I made Strider's dialogue stately for laughs, thanks for being a good sport.)


You say, "The meeting will be split into two sections: A. AC2 and B: Education of the AC1 allegiance-experience system... an identification of problems with current AC systems and how we should deal with them"

You say, "For the first part, I am a bit ignorant, because I don't quite know all the facts that involve AC2"

You say, "What I do know, is that quite a few of us are moving over, some completely, and some partially"

You say, "The bottom line here is, please keep in touch with us no matter where you go :)"

You say, "There are forums dedicated for the AC2 crew, and from what I see, there's been a lot of coordination already"

You say, "Concerning my involvement in our AC2 leadership, there won't be"

You say, "I will be helping those who wish visible leadership in AC2 get the visibility among all of us, but after that, the AC2 crew will have to work together in my absence"

You say, "I have too much to deal with in AC1 and grad school, so I cannot be an active leader in AC2"

You say, "Concerning the allegiance structure in AC2, there have been many proposals in a thread started by Rythor"

You say, "There has been mention of a Senate, a mock-Monarch, or a real Monarch"

You say, "Whatever choices you decide, I will do my best to guide AC2 players along. It is my responsibility to make sure everyone has a good start."

You say, "If you are interested in being part of this AC2 frontier, then I urge you to visit the AC2 forum in the webpage"

You say, "There is no better way to get visibility, and coordinate groups in this new game :)"

You say, "Last bits before I open up for questions"

You say, "I will not be naming a monarch for AC2, and I will not advocate any major election for a monarch for AC2"

You say, "I don't believe in popularity contests, and I don't believe in swaying support individually"

You say, "What this means is, if you honestly want to be involved intimately with our AC2 sector, you have to take the initiative, and you have to make the first moves"

You say, "I will be there to guide and advise, but again, you are the leaders who will have to make the difficult decisions"

You say, "At this point, if you have any announcements, comments, or questions, please @tell me and I'll place you in queue :)"

You say, "I'd like to especially invite AC2 beta testers with some experience to share their perspectives on AC2"

Your follower Sunja al-Zud says to you, "It crashes my machine every 5 minutes.  :P  There's my perspective.  lol"

You say, "lol"

Strider Hiryumura says, "AC2 is nice, but perhaps a tad too adventurous."

You say, "How so strider?"

Strider Hiryumura says, "For example, the way you need to make your armor and so forth."

Soul-Fist says, "They try to make the game more challeging"

Strider Hiryumura says, "You are correct, Soul-Fist."

Soul-Fist says, "thats what lots of people want"

Strider Hiryumura says, "But AC2 constituents are perpetrating the same phenomenon evident in all online rpgs: a leveling ladder of sorts."

Strider Hiryumura says, "Our RPG gaming should involve a greater surival factor, not just another contest. It's already evident on so many levels in Beta.

You say, "The only way I can connect your argument is to compare our harvestgain server to the darktide server?"

You say, "I think we all need to realize that Ac2 beta is indeed beta. Give it a chance if you like its basic foundation"

Strider Hiryumura says, "Yes, Wen, AC2 has it's strengths as well."

Sunja al-Zud says, "What little i've seen I like, but unfortunately I can't play for more than a few minutes before my machine croaks.  :)"

Strider Hiryumura says, "I agree heartily Sunja, AC2 is great eye candy."

Sunja al-Zud says, "Oh yeah!"

Sup Mang seconds that.

Strider Hiryumura says, "I would like to add that the skill system is rather like Diablo."

You say, "Jason Booth has posted a nice article concerning AC2's apparent beta short-comings:  http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=36029315"

Hamud the Blade says, "ok my turn :)"

You say, "I would definitely read that if your AC2 interests are significant"

You say, "Current queue: Hamud, Tycho, Shup"

Hamud the Blade says, "School is the worst thing ever for people who play RPG's. Such as AC because it 
takes too much time to do algebra and run a char. Plus the other 6 classes I have to deal with."

Hamud the Blade says, "I won't be playing much this school year."

Kookaburra says, "lol poor guy!"

Strider Hiryumura says, "Ah, my poor friend Alex."

Soul-Fist says, "lol school hasnt affected my playing time yet"

Hamud the Blade says, "I just got on for the weekend to see the meeting."

Soul-Fist says, "all i have is 4 classes a day"

You say, "lol hamud, just remember that RL >>> AC... that's our creed, and we stand by it firmly."

Hamud the Blade says, "School is just too much for me to handle a char durning the week"

Strider Hiryumura says, "To interject, macros die to often :P"

Kookaburra says, "At least you recognize that Hamud, that's more than most of us could say"

You say, "don't feel like you need to log on a certain amount of hours per week.. that sounds more like work than fun"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Hamud don't feel bad: I work and barely have time to play during the week"

Hamud the Blade says, "If someone would like to use my account durning the week they are welcome to it"

Strider Hiryumura says, "I would partake of your proposal since you are my dear vassal."

Hamud the Blade says, "except my patron" (editor's note: ROFL)

Strider Hiryumura crys.

Kookaburra says, "LOL"

You say, "lol interesting proposition... I wouldn't share account info too openly though rofl"

Sunja al-Zud says, "lol"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

Strider Hiryumura says, "meanie!"

Soul-Fist says, "lmao"

You say, "thanks for your announcement hammie :) we'll be around to bug you when you can play"

Hamud the Blade says, "well if they are really interested and promised not to tell anyone they may be able to accss my account D"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "Current queue: Tycho, Shup... please say D when done :) Tycho has the floor. lol ty hammie :)"

Tycho Chelchu says, "concerning ac2, i wish I could get into it, missed out on the invites and the open beta"

Tycho Chelchu says, "But on another note..."

Tycho Chelchu says, "I would like to say that I can in the absence of anyone who has skills higher than me, IE Joe-Bob, will do any tradeskills stuff thanks to this young stud of a mage over here Brax,"

Tycho Chelchu says, "I am getting better at the things I do."

Tycho Chelchu says, "Also Wen keep an eye out for minor cooking pants? please =)"

You say, "Tycho is growing into a fine young morimoto :)"

Sup Mang says, "Sakai owns"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Also interested in Minor Coord's I could use. I would post this on the Forums but I keep getting blank pages"

You say, "will do Tycho... I'll keep a look out"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Also I plan on doing Perfect Diamond Ingots by level 40 too =)"

Soul-Fist says, "that would be sweet"

You say, "ugh... don't get me started on those blasted things lol"

Tycho Chelchu says, "1 last thing, when we gonna do Focus stone again =)"

Tycho Chelchu says, "done"

You say, "Well it depends on interest, but we will either do an evis romp or focus stone"

You say, "ty Tycho :) Current queue: Shup, Strider.. Shup has the vfloor"

Braxis Prague says, "I do know Maga has some interest in it"

Soul-Fist says, "same here"

You say, "k if ou're interested in either.. please stick around after meeting :)"

Sup Mang taps his foot.

Magalladon does

You say, "ok Shup has the ceiling"

Sup Mang says, "Thank you Wen, and all."

Sup Mang says, "I've played quite a bit of AC2 over the last couple of months."

Sup Mang says, "I think that it is a pretty good blend of old school AC, DAoC, and Diablo."

Sup Mang says, "The PK system is nice and easy for those that want to participate, crafting can be done by anyone that takes the time to do it, and you get to be tumeroks!"

Sunja al-Zud thinks Tonk rules!!!

Sup Mang says, "Tummies own ;)"

Soul-Fist says, "Anti's Pics looked pretty good with the female humans"

Sup Mang says, "Just want to say in short here that AC2 might not be what the old school AC1 players had in mind, but they had AC1 in mind, not a hybrid that everyone will like."

Sup Mang says, "I think it's worth giving a chance on the whole."

Sup Mang says, "Done."

You say, "Thanks for report Shup :) I agree... I think everyone should give it a chance"

You say, "Current queue: Strider, Vlad... Strider has the floor, then Vladdy"

Strider Hiryumura says, "Hello again. I have two items to expose on the floor."

Strider Hiryumura says, "first thing is I am think of startin a xp chain 40-50 @tell me after" (editor's note: sorry, had to leave this alone for full effect)

You say, "lmao"

Soul-Fist says, "rofl!"

Tycho Chelchu says, "hmmmmm"

Magalladon says, "hahaha"

Hamud the Blade says, "that's so not going to work...."

Strider Hiryumura says, "Secondly, I propose to Wen that we host a PK fight night tonight: a tourney of sorts."

Sup Mang says, "We're talking AC2 this half of meeting :)"

Soul-Fist says, "hehe"

Strider Hiryumura shows disdain.

You say, "I won't go PK, but I can help those who want to go PK and NPK... but it would be easier if you have the recall to sanct scroll"

Strider Hiryumura says, "Wen, I yield the remaining minutes to the next speaker."

You say, "If you stilll need a sanct recall scroll, please post again in the quest boards and we will set up another run.. it's very easy"

Hamud the Blade says, "Ya another disco light run!"

Soul-Fist says, "lol lazy puke didnt want to go last time i asked"

You say, "and healers heart rocks :) it makes even me good support :)"

Sunja al-Zud says, "lol"

Braxis Prague says, "Well as long as we do it here I'm willing"

Braxis Prague says, "From the things I have read on the Vnboards I do not want to be involved with any of the current PK scene"

Soul-Fist says, "yeah its like phredd Preator vs the server"

You say, "ty strider.. if anyone is considering PK events, please contact Strider after the meeting"

Strider Hiryumura says, "Everyone who would like to participate in a tournment tonight vote "1." All who think we should do it another time vote "2.""

You say, "sure, we can vote lol"

Sup Mang says, "I say we vote another time."

Hamud the Blade says, "3 your xp chain won't work"

You say, "2 - you need to plan it on the boards"

Sup Mang says, "We can put a poll on the webste"

Strider Hiryumura says, "Okay, that sounds great, Shup. D"

You say, "ty strider :)"

You say, "last but not least, I want to open up the floor for Vlad"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ty...hi all"

You say, "woooot hey vladdy :)"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "i would like to intruduce my wife andrade sioned"

You say, "wooooooot hey Andrade!!! :) glad you could make it"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Greetings.  :)"

Andrade Sioned says, "hi all"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "she recently started...ive tried to get her toon up a little"

Soul-Fist says, "hehe Heya Andrade"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and if anyone could give her some advice on being a mage please feel free"

Kahlann says, "nice to meet you Andrade :o)"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ty...done"

You say, "fantastic.. what kind of mage are you Andrade? and what is speciailized?"

You say, "Vlad knows the game well, you couldn't have a better mentor :)"

Andrade Sioned says, "war magic specialized"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ha!...lol"

Soul-Fist says, "lmao"

Brother Canes waddles to his fridge for an Isparian Ale

You say, "koool andrade... very good choice. war economics reward a high war skill"

Soul-Fist says, "rofl"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Booom!  hehHEhEhheheHE"

You say, "If you have any questions at all.. on any topic, please visit our webpage and post :) we'd love to see you there"

You say, "www.lostlight.org            -             www.lostlight.org"

You say, "Okay :) thanks everyone for being patient"

You say, "This next portion of the meeting will seem a bit strange to the newer members"

You say, "but I invite everyone to stay and try to digest what I'm about to say"

You say, "Again, at the end of the meeting, there will be opportunities for questions, comments, and suggestions"

Soul-Fist says, "dont vomit his words =P"

Sunja al-Zud groans.  :)

You say, "Ever since I started personally recruiting for the AoLL, I had a small, corny speech... but I meant every word"

You say, "I will disclose this speech to you all now, but I may be rusty since I haven't recruited in more than 2 years myself"

You say, "Loyalty and Leadership are not skills which may be raised on a whim after a hunt"

You say, "Loyalty and Leadership are intangible characteristics of an individual derived from actions and deeds which personify your existance on dereth"

You say, "This team firmly believes in individuality, yet we exist to promote a fellowship on a grand scale"

You say, "If you wish to leave a mark on this world, and believe in friendship and accountability, then I invite you to join this team"

You say, "To be honest, I have never seen how corny that recruiting dialogue was... and damn it's corny"

Brother Canes says, "lol Wen"

Sunja al-Zud says, "mmmmmm corn."

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "but back in the days, it was a good way to explain what our purpose was as a clan"

Tycho Chelchu says, "still is"

You say, "we never cared about numbers, and we never cared about being the highest levels on dereth"

You say, "and we didn't particularly care about these superficial "skills" loyalty and loeadership that could be increased by a click of the mouse"

You say, "nowadays, you can go to a public BBS, and I'll guarantee you that there is a post about some type of chain on the first few pages"

You say, "The role of allegiances seemed to have changed after time,"

You say, "and my antiquated view on what an allegiance is may ring true in general, but requires modification to some extent. simply said, we need to adapt"

You say, "I've waited for a long time for the devs to announce some type of "fix" for the allegiance-exp system"

You say, "But that's not going to happen. The damage has already been done."

You say, "Let me tell you now, the allegiance-exp system and macroing in general, will be the destruction of AC"

You say, "Because simply put, it gives bad vibes to innocent bystanders, and places them in an akward situation of ethics: no matter how you look at it"

You say, "I apologize to all the new members for spilling the beans, but I want to come through straightforward"

You say, "So what do we do?"

Soul-Fist says, "say sorry?"

Sup Mang says, "DAMN THE MAN!"

Con doin pug says, "sorry i am late"

Magalladon says, "hi Pug :)"

You say, "Should we all quit the game and label AC as bastion of"

Con doin pug says, "hi mags"

You say, "hey pug :) welcome aboard"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "hiyas pug"

Brother Canes says, "bastion of ..."

Con doin pug says, "hi all :o)"

You say, "...bastion of players who like the easy way out, and believe in the old saying 'the ends justifies the means?'"

You say, "or do we continue playing, bearing in mind what we have many teams cannot claim, and adapt to the system with careful restraints?"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "amen!"

You say, "I've posted on the boards my thoughts on the matter, and I have many concerns on modifying our allegiance for said system"

You say, "Let me first tell you about this system that is being abused across the board"

You say, "In an allegiance, you have a monarch, patrons, and vassals."

You say, "A vassal hunts diligently, the patron received a portion of the vassal's exp, and that exp is also passed up to the monarch"

You say, "The key strength of these chains is this:"

You say, "in an optimal setting, the vassal will pass up to 28% what he or she hunts to the patron"

You say, "the patron will pass up 93% that exp to his monarch"

You say, "if that monarch decided to take a patron later on... that new patron of the old monarch would receive 93% the exp that the old monarch receives. you can see the cascading effect."

You say, "The fluidity of the exp passed up in an allegiance is rather interesting to analyze, and is the crux of these chains. Although you do have diminishing returns, if everyone hunted, the passup would be dramatic."

You say, "That is why you see on certain trees, that a great number people have passed up billions of exp points."

You say, "and again, the exp in these windows can be modified by an additional factor of 1.25 if you have a buffed/modified adjusted leadership"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Whoa."

You say, "What does this mean?"

You say, "Allegiances in a linear configuration fluidize exp"

You say, "And even though the top benefits the most, in a sense, the exp distribution is more even."

You say, "Compared to our current configuration, I am taking the lion's share of the exp"

You say, "and I simply think we are ready for the next step."

You say, "So why haven't we done exp chains yet?"

You say, "Let me take you back to the very beginning"

You say, "1. We *have* made exp chains, but subconsciously."

You say, "2. There *are* conscious efforts to make exp chains in pockets of close friends within this group: this has already been sanctioned and encouraged."

You say, "3. The main problem with exp chains is the seemingly businessy-side to things"

You say, "Meaning, the game is more like work, and not fun."

You say, "Meaning, there will be mercenary-like people who do not care about the team-doctrine."

You say, "What can do we about this?"

You say, "We can take the members of this community, and have faith that they will not become obssessed with exp, and not recruit outside of the allegiance under any circumstances"

You say, "We can take the members of this community, and structure it so we can take advantage of said system with responsbility"

You say, "Or..."

You say, "We can educate members of this community, and have them take the initiative to help intimate friends create a more fluid configuration"

You say, "My current views of the chain system is this:"

You say, "If you want to make a mini-chain, be my guest. Just remember to keep it amongst friends, and do not let its dark-motives shroud affect you. "

You say, "And trust me, there will be dark motives, and there will be conflicts of interest in a poorly-thought out project"

You say, "for the purpose of which I point to Strider's comment... "

You say, "Strider Hiryumura says, "first thing is I am think of startin a xp chain 40-50 @tell me after"

Hamud the Blade says, "Once again I'm sorry he's a noob"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "although I love strider, an exp chain configuration shouldn't be managed lightly"

Hamud the Blade says, "He couldn't do it if he tried."

You say, "for the reasons i've said before, we must do our best to keep the chain amongst trustworthy individuals, and not become obsessed with the business-like side of the system."

You say, "For those who aren't interested in this system, I say kudos and bless you"

You say, "You are the people that will take this game to new heights, because you are the people who can see through the lure of numbers"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Numbers have no lure for me, I'm an accountant.  :P"

You say, "However, for all intents and purposes, certain quests and activities may only benefit from higher level players in addition to their raw ability." (Editor's note: Could you see the strength in having a L126 Annalena? damn that would be secksay)

You say, "and for this reason, I hope we do undertake some sort of modified approach to this chain issue"

You say, "In closing, if you are indeed interested in making a sort of configuration that will boost exp fluidity, contact me (PM/email) and I can give you the full details."

You say, "But realize that allegiance breaking and creating shouldn't be taken lightly"

You say, "and also realize that there is some dark business that can only be avoided by remembering our true creed: Friendship and Accountability."

You say, "Let me finally end with the definitions of said terms"

You say, "Friendship n. - The quality or condition of being friends."

You say, "Accountability n. - Liablity to being called to account; answerable. syn Responsibility"

You say, "By working together as a community, we are providing opportunities for friendship and cooperative responsibility"

You say, "These two features will be even more important as we explore the system, and when if/when we adapt to it"

You say, "Okay :) thanks for sitting through that schpeel. I'll open for comments/questions/points of clarification... please @tell me if you want to be placed in queue"

You say, "Let me remind you to say "D" when done, and please give our speakers the respect you've given me"

You say, "Current queue: Shup, Hamud, Vlad  - floor not opened yet"

You say, "Shup you have the floor :) "

Sup Mang says, "Thank you Wen."

Sup Mang says, "Anyone who hs been reading the boards lately should be well aware of my thoughts on an allegiance xp chain."

Sup Mang says, "I feel that as long we people who want to participate in them within the allegiance understand that they do it voluntarily then it will not be a problem."

Sup Mang says, "If we use it to our advantage to level up the participants then they in turn will be able to help out the lower level players that are NOT in the chain more effectively"

Sup Mang says, "i.e. better weapons and armor to pass down, power levelling, crafting, etc."

Sup Mang says, "There are many more advantages to a  chain than some realize.  All some look at is the xp gain and not the gain of the allegiance as a whole"

Sup Mang says, "As long as the people that are getting the mad xp and levels remain true to the spirit of AoLL and help their fellow members, then I don't think that there should be any moral issues to deal with."

Sup Mang says, "Friendship and accountability, and productive. Done."

You say, "Very well said Shup :) Let me also state that we will never recruit outside the allegiance, so no mercenaries would be prevalent in our proposed project. All participants would understand our ideals to the bone."

You say, "Current queue: Hamud, Vlad, Thel, Soul"

You say, "Hamud you have the floor :)"

Hamud the Blade says, "I have been around a long time in AC never once have I ever been in an xp chain"

Hamud the Blade says, "I have only strived to be all I can without help from others"

Hamud the Blade says, "this is where my heart is and shall always lye with xp chains"

You say, "I think that's great Hamud" (editor's note: there were exchanges that were deleted between known parties and lead to my interjection)

You say, "You can see on Silvana's and Ner's post that there are those who wish to progress their characters on their own. And do things without expectation of self-benefits."

You say, "It's satisfying to a great level."

You say, "If you don't like to participate in the chain, that's great"

You say, "But look at me: Do I deserve my 103 levels? Probably not."

Hamud the Blade says, "Yes for the only reason that you are a good person."

You say, "But if there are arguments for me, then it would be because I try to do things for the team"

You say, "and in turn, the members of the community reward me (in that obvious give and take fashion)"

You say, "I personally do not believe I deserve to be 103"

You say, "I don't hunt as much as I used to with Wen-Kai, because I simply cannot... I get too many tells etc whenever I try."

You say, "Back to your observation, I have leveled a mage to 78 all by myself"

You say, "I am very proud of the mage. However, in the natural course of participating in a growing team, assuming the role of a leader/coordinator/manager doesn't seem so unnatural does it? That's where we are now: higher organization is our next step, and many members are ready for it I conjecture." (Editor's note: Modified to clarify my point)

Hamud the Blade says, "Ok I still have 1 thing yet to say Wen :)"

Hamud the Blade says, "I was part of something great one time before OG chars and xp chains"

Hamud the Blade says, "It was back when a lvl 20 could run the whole of Dereth"

Hamud the Blade says, "I was in a clan with a monarch I respected for he helped anyone who asked it of him."

Hamud the Blade says, "He was the great leader that every clan should have and we have the fortune of having someone like that"

Hamud the Blade says, "The Original Cannibal was a great man."

Hamud the Blade says, "He and all my friends from the clan."

Hamud the Blade says, "They were the people that all clans should be like."

Strider Hiryumura remembers the memories of ac and magic

You say, "Cannibal from the OIF? and you are going to mention what he eventually did as a monarch?"

Hamud the Blade says, "I miss all of them they have taken off to do better things but once again I have found a great clan and would not like to find it broken apart by the lust of xp"

Hamud the Blade says, "Yes he sold his account to pay for his house payments"

You say, "He sold his account when he hit 115 and realized the gross outcome of publicly recruiting mercenaries for his allegiance exp chain."

Brother Canes says, "ahh...did you see that debacle on Ebay Hamud? It was funny as hell"

You say, "He was the very first person on the VN Boards and the CoD to publicly recruit for exp gain"

You say, "I knew him before the onset, and he was a good man."

Hamud the Blade says, "Bottom line: don't let xp ruin a clan just because a few of us like numbers"

You say, "Thanks Hamud. Current queue: Vlad, Thel, Soul, Sunja"

You say, "Vlad you have the floor"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "well to start i came from a monarchy that had 2 exp chains: a leadership and non leader"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and i would log on bout every other week to find my monarch had changed"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and it is one of the main reasons i left"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "i dont belive that exp chain can truly benifit this clan"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "reasons being that people do want exp...otherwise this idea prob wouldnt even be discussed right now"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and you say that everyone doesnt have to participate, but...."

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "what if my patron's patron's patron does"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "that in turn affects me"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "Sup Mang says, "Friendship and accountability, and productive.""

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "productive = work"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "sounds like my boss at work"

Brother Canes says, "Not work Vlad, fellowships out hunting the dires, just like we do now"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "well i dont see why we would need an exp chain to do a fellow hunt in the dires"

Soul-Fist says, "Questing with others also I'm assuming is Productive"

You say, "We don't need one to fellow hunt"

Brother Canes says, "Vlad, it encourages us to hunt together...with the fellowship bonus, we take advantage of both systems for XP sharing"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "im just saying that i believe it will eventually could cause probs"

Abstract Knowledge says, "The way I see it, its just a restructuring of our active players so that we all benefit from the existing system. its not a cheat, its in the game as a reward for tight allegence"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "i simply see that as an opportunity to get more exp"

You say, "I agree on the whole vlad"

You say, "If we were just strangers and came from advertisements on the public voards for EXP, then what you're saying is true"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and i just really dont want to log on to find that someone somewhere didnt like there place in line and im affected by it"

You say, "First of all, your monarch won't change"

You say, "And secondly, participants in the project will enjoy stability, that is a guarantee"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "how can u guarantee that?"

You say, "I'm running a side chain right now, and stability has been our strength"

Brother Canes says, "I am as well Vlad"

You say, "No strangers are invited, only intimate friends who've I known for a long time"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "so how will u do the screening process?

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "who will get to participate?"

You say, "Interview, and if your current patron isn't active or has quit."

You say, "Those who understand the principles of the team, quite simple"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "what will u do if people outlvl their current patron?"

You say, "They stay where they are unless it becomes unavoidable to move"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "If they don't like it, they can join another team. This is a team-effort where we all look well upon successes of teammates in addition to our own."

Brother Canes says, "Vlad, I'm the lowest in my chain, and highest level"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "well wont some feel like they should be moved up?"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and i know that some will be happy"

You say, "Right Vlad, then they don't understand our doctrine, and wouldn't be accepted."

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ok...so the exp chain will be set once and only once?"

You say, "yep, unless something disrupts it IE char deletion, account cancelling, quitting"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "what if its set and someone new wants to get in?"

Brother Canes says, "Vlad, it may change as people quit the game (migrate to AC2) or become inactive"

You say, "this new person would have to go by the screening process, and would have to be a long time member, so it's unlikely and will be rare"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "is it fair to put them ahead of peeps that have been in it the whole time?"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "im just saying after 6 months i want in"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "and im too high to be put at bottom"

You say, "ok vlad, changes to the core chain structure will not happen easily"

You say, "stability will be our main goal: it is our primary strength, and what we bring to the table"

You say, "we will NEVER recruit like cannibal did on the vn boards"

You say, "we will NEVER accept outsiders who are here only for the exp"

You say, "we will VERY UNLIKEY add new members to the core chain after its initial stages"

You say, "this is very serious activity, and if we go thru with it, we will go thru with it well-prepared"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ok...it just makes me nervous cause like i said ive been in a monarchy that has exp chains...and there was no stability"

You say, "i'm hoping that is what makes the AoLL different."

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "kewl ty wen"

You say, "and the project will be screened for people who might disturb stability, can't stress this enough :)"

Braxis Prague says, "its all about..."

Braxis Prague says, "Cohesion =)"

You say, "Vlad obviously knows what he's talking about, and I thank you for putting these issues to our minds"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "np...glad to put my fears at rest"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "i would like to say one more thing"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "i truly love the aoll...it is truly my home away from home...because of the stabilty and cohesion and friendship"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ok...im really done this time"

You say, "ty Vlad :) and we appreciate your concerns.. as they are representative of your respect for the team"

You say, "let be interject before we continue pls"

You say, "this is indeed a game, and it's a good idea to remember that certain things are not worth the stress and white hairs"

You say, "but what we have in front of our AC platter is indeed something that can be very sinister, something very evil"

You say, "I've waited for more than 2 years, and I've been very stubborn about keeping this allegiance true to its old school values"

Braxis Prague grows some green pointy ears and says "Mmmm darkside it is yess mmmm...."

You say, "and I hope you all appreciate it as much as Vlad does... THAT is what gives me hope"

You say, "and THAT makes this project possibly worth pursuing"

Soul-Fist says, "Done a helluva job at it too Kai"

You say, "Current queue: Soul, Sunja"

Strider Hiryumura says, "most clans r big and all they care about is xp"

Soul-Fist says, "Persephony tells you, "he sounds like a statistician or engineer""

Soul-Fist says, "lol just to let ya knoe"

You say, "im a chemist :)"

Soul-Fist says, "Whats our structure of this chain may i ask?"

Braxis Prague says, "Yeah wen can make some killer Elixirs =)"

You say, "ok here is the knitty gritty:"

You say, "Firstly, I have a side chain I'm working on"

You say, "If you are interested in the exact struture, please post on the thread I posted and read everything"

You say, "It is my hope that I can include anyone interested with the following exceptions"

You say, "I cannot take people from active patrons"

You say, "That means, if your patron is on a lot, I cannot rip your relations with him or her"

You say, "I don't want to cause any disturbance in that respect, so that already puts out a lot of candidates"

You say, "If you are interested still, you should talk to your patron and discuss the possibility of moving together into this project"

You say, "Bottom line is, it's an all-or-nothing affair, and I won't allow hard feelings to develop"

You say, "It would be the same as my vassal leaving me to join the OIF chain for example"

You say, "Obviously, I wouldn't be too thrilled about it."

You say, "So if you're interested, please understand your patron's point of view"

You say, "concerning what we do after... I have been sending out bimonthly newsletters"

You say, "explaining the system and describing the progress of the project and participants"

You say, "It is my hope that if you are already engaged with a very active patron"

You say, "that you can undertake a side project of your own"

You say, "You don't have to merge with my project at all, Education is my primary objective"

You say, "I know many of us cannot sever from patrons, and that's why we are the avatars of lost light"

You say, "and that's why we can make this work with sound planning"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Nothing to say here anymore,.  :)"

You say, "k :) I apologize for the intensity and nature of this discussion..."

Soul-Fist says, "Yeah if new people want to come in such as clan member/very close friends who understand the concept, where would they go at the very bottem?"

You say, "That would be at my discretion Lance"

You say, "I hope we can let them benefit, but my premiere concern is stability"

Wizard Of Gondor brings Strider Hiryumura to a fiery end!

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "woot wizard heh"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "lol"

Brother Canes says, "Loot him!"

Soul-Fist says, "rofl"

Braxis Prague says, "Your vassal Villige Idiot says to you, "this is absolutly the best Guild/family in AC""

Braxis Prague says, "I have to agrree"

You say, "If you are interested in the system, regardless of merging with mine, or creating one of your own, please PM me on the web boards and I will explain what to do"

You say, "ty Villige and Brax :) only reason why this guild is great is because of its constituents"

You say, "Oh Son-Goku has something to add"

You say, "Son-Goku has the floor.. please say D when done"

Son-Goku says, "Thx wen"

Son-Goku says, "First of all, try to understand what Im trying to say. Me english is not the best"

Son-Goku says, "My primary concern this days, is what will hapen with those who move to AC2."

Ashaman says, "sorry i'm late"

Son-Goku says, "I know a lot of members are thinking about moving on"

Magalladon says, "hi Rand/Asha"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "hiyas rand"

You tell Ashaman, "hey rand :) glad u could make it"

Son-Goku says, "And some will move a little bit late."

You say, "very good question..."

Con doin pug doesnt think village chose his name correctly

Con Doin Pug thinks it should be Very Wise EVillage IdiotE

Son-Goku says, "What will happen if someone in the middle of chain moves to AC2? will there be any modification?"

Villige Idiot says, "lol"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "concerning AC2.. those who wish to move away completely will not be involved in this chain"

Sup Mang says, "There wouldn't be much choice there Son."

You say, "you must be active to remain in the project, but we will be reasonable lol"

You say, "any breaks would be fixed as soon as possible by web board communication"

You say, "again, stability is our primary card"

You say, "and i trust all who are interested shouldn't join if they are doubtful of their AC passion"

Son-Goku says, "ok Thx Wen. D"

You say, "ok.. anymore questions comments or announcements?"

You say, "I apologize for the length and intensity of this meeting.. I hope I haven't left anyone with a bad taste in their mouth"

You say, "There is no doubt concerning the seriousness of this discussion: it *is* very serious as Hamud pointed out"

Con doin pug passes round the mints

You say, "exp chains have destroyed many great clans in the past"

You say, "where they have failed, who am I to say we will succeed?"

Sup Mang says, "I'll say it then.  We will succeed."

You say, "However, I do think we are a different type of people"

Brother Canes says, "Exactly.  W00t!"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Definitely!"

You say, "with a different type of doctrine.. and I think it's worthwhile to investigate this system-"

Con doin pug says, "and wen i think you deserve every single one of your 103 levels"

Son-Goku says, "I don't think XP chains destroyed em. I believe ambition of Power did."

Sunja al-Zud says, "Yah. What Goku said. I think Wen deserves to be 200!!!!"

You say, "ROFL ty CON and Sunja :)"

Brother Canes says, "HELYES"

Villige Idiot says, "=)"

Sup Mang says, "I think AoLL deserves to be 200"

Soul-Fist says, "Yea this clan hasnt changed since i first joined"

You say, "Right shup :) well said"

Magalladon says, "I think it has a very good chance of success this being due to alot of us knowing each other for like two years and we know our determination to succeed as a team/family"

Soul-Fist says, "lol and not letting outsiders in"

Soul-Fist says, "When will we set this chain up?"

You say, "okay, here is the idea:"

You say, "If you are interested in joining this core chain, please email me at -wen@lostlight.org- no matter your level"

Annalena says, "Well, I hate to do this, but I really have to be going."

You say, "2. Talk to your patron about it, and see if he will consider it"

You say, "Ok anna, thanks for coming"

Magalladon says, "take Care Anna cya"

Soul-Fist says, "C-ya later Anna"

You say, "Glad to have caught up with you after so much time :)"

Kahlann says, "bye anna  cya later :o)"

You say, "3. If your patron is against the idea, nothing can be done"

You say, "3b. If your patron is keen to the idea, then he needs to talk to his patron"

You say, "4. Good communication will make this work, whereas bad communication will be the tragic end of any relationship."

Sunja al-Zud says, "I can vouch for that!!!!!  :)"

Son-Goku says, "vassal ----> Patron ------> Patron -----> Patron ------> Wen-Kai"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

You say, "Once your entire wing up to the inactive patron, or myself, agrees to the project, then talk to me and I will explain the steps we need to take to merge"

Son-Goku says, "Wen"

You say, "It's most likely that you will need to direct your patron to me and/or the transcript of this meeting, and in that case I will follow up with them myself :)"

You say, "What's up Goku?"

Son-Goku says, "Shouldnt we talk to vassals too. They might be involved too. What if they dont agree?"

Your follower Vladhalla's Dragon says to you, "what if my patron wants to join but i dont"

You say, "Right... Goku and Vlad bring up the point in unison"

You say, "I keep saying patron, but it's important to bring it up with vassals as well"

You say, "I think the vassals are just as important as the patrons if not more, and I was only using patrons as an example in case there is a bad break "

You say, "because when you do move to my core chain, there will be invariably be a break in allegiance to ur old patron if you both are not together in level etc"

You say, "it's a very complicated affair, but once we have everything going, the system will be strong"

You say, "again, strong communication will be our strength and guiding light"

Soul-Fist says, "i got another Q lol"

You say, "vassals can be more important than their patrons: this is certainly the case with my direct vassals"

You say, "sure what's that lance?"

Soul-Fist says, "ok Say That Kah wants to come in chain and Pug does also"

Soul-Fist says, "and lets say the bottem of the core chain is Tycho here"

Brother Canes says, "gotta run guys"

Sunja al-Zud says, "C Ya.  :)"

You say, "take care bc :)"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "ltr bc"

Sup Mang says, "See ya Bro!"

Con doin pug says, "be well BC"

Brother Canes says, "cya :)"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Send me a post  card!"

Sup Mang says, "hehe"

Soul-Fist says, "will they swear to his patron and tycho breaks alligance to go under Kah?"

You say, "Right, that's a good simulated situation to deal with"

You say, "First of all, we would need to consider the ramifications, and the current configuration to deal with that"

You say, "The length of in-game time you are sworn to a particular person is a very important factor in your adjusted loyalty 'skill'"

Sup Mang can vouch for that.

You say, "So in this instance, and for the case of stability, we would try not to break any bonds previous to a new addition to the core chain"

Con doin pug says, "can i ask a question Wen"

You say, "If nothing can be done, and a break must be made, we will do that as a last resort, and with the consent of the parties involved"

Soul-Fist says, "See this is the part i get confused"

Tycho Chelchu says, "However Wen if you asked me to break I would for stabilty issuses"

You say, "thanks Brax, that's where we would go with no other options"

You say, "sure pug, please ask... and lance what did you need clarified?"

Con doin pug says, "ty  what is the optimum loyalty score? and should i train leadership?"

You say, "stability is the key to our configuration. we value it above production even at the future stable stage"

Soul-Fist says, "Is this chain a line of vassles?"

You say, "very good question pug.. that is going to the crux of the matter"

You say, "it will be a linear configuration lance, focused on leveling exp distribution as best as possible"

Soul-Fist says, "ok then"

You say, "ok concerning the loyalty and leader scores"

You say, "please copy the following link for me"

You say, "http://rain.prohosting.com/obp/calc.html"

Soul-Fist says, "So will a lvl 48 will have to break from his patron to add a lvl 50 char in"

You say, "not necessarily lance, it depends on the lowest level on the end of the chain"

Tycho Chelchu says, "What wen is trying to do is this"

You say, "Ok that link has poor design, but it features a "passup" calculator"

Soul-Fist says, "ok, now i understnad"

Tycho Chelchu says, "ok Soul nvm then =)"

You say, "Now, depending on your leader and loyalty scores, you will passup a certain percentage from your own hunting (up to 30)"

Soul-Fist says, "so the bottom person will be the xp poosher"

You say, "and you will passup a certain percentage (up to 93)"

Soul-Fist says, "and hopefully will be high lvl also corrrect?"

You say, "Yes, bottom person will receive powerleveling help from yours truly, and will be high level if that person is diligent. Remember, we will add more participants in all likelihood once we are stabilized."

Sup Mang says, "technically, everyone but wen will be a pusher.  I mean Wen the monarch"

You say, "Back to the question at hand:"

You say, "Please play with the calculator to understand the number game"

You say, "http://rain.prohosting.com/obp/calc.html"

You say, "My mage has a buffed loyalty of 275 now"

You say, "and does not have leader trained- you do not necessarily need leader trained (but it helps especially if you are a non-critter melee/archer)"

You say, "there are things you can do to optimize leader so you don't need it trained :P"

You say, "But, Buffing loeader and loyalty is VERY important both on and off-line."

You say, "Since this is a team effort, Buffing leader/loyal/willpower is of absolute concern"

You say, "Logging off without said buffs will only hurt the exp flow"

Tycho Chelchu says, "And for those that are Level 50+ and use the Buadren. keep in mind its +20 to willpower"

You say, "while we can frown at it, there's very little we can do for those who continually neglect buffing (eventually we will ask them to resign their position)."

Tycho Chelchu says, "I have Plenty of Collars on me if any needs them. There are a bunch in the mansion chests too."

You say, "all we can do it hope and help :) Back to the question at hand..."

You say, "Raising loyalty/leader/willpower will be up to the participant's discretion"

You say, "There will be no strict requirements, but we hope you can raise them as you benefit from the project"

Soul-Fist says, "lotalty buffed to 209 with the baudren"

You say, "nice Lance :) Additionally, there are no hunting requirements"

You say, "Again, we value stability over production"

Son-Goku says, "and where does XP come from Wen?"

You say, "Just hunt when you can, and play the game for fun :P"

You say, "the EXP will come from everyone. all players must be active with very few exceptions. My mage will continue to push up exp for example."

Soul-Fist says, "hopefully =P"

Son-Goku says, "I see. "

You say, "Additionally, the very bottom player will receive powerleveling help from me"

Villige Idiot says, "np let me handle the bottom rofl"

You say, "I can level anyone of any class from level 1 to level 40  in a matter of a week"

You say, "of course it depends on how much the person can play, and what class he or she is"

Con doin pug says, "wishes he knew that eight weeks ago"

You say, "lol"

Son-Goku says, "lol"

You say, "I do not powerlevel for fun though"

Sunja al-Zud says, "wishes he knew that 2 years ago.  LOL"

Vladhalla's Dragon says, "can i be at the bottom?"

Villige Idiot says, "lol"

You say, "lol"

You say, "I love powerleveling friends, but it can get quite tedious as you can imagine"

You say, "lol vladdy"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Yeppers."

Son-Goku says, "Yep. "

Soul-Fist says, "yeah cause of me i wore him out lol"

You say, "After level 40, I consider the character well-prepared to hunt on his or her own"

You say, "as new members are added, I will powerlevel him or her, and so forth"

Con doin pug says, "so long as they used their xp wisely"

You say, "however, after the first major moves, the chain will be closed to provide stability"

Kahlann says, "i think i must be broke then"

You say, "Kah whatcha mean? need money?"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Brax is Loaded =)"

Kahlann says, "lol noooo i mean when i go out on my own i die"

Braxis Prague says, "Talking about me again Tycho?"

You say, "lol"

Villige Idiot says, "lol"

Kahlann says, "or i hunt where it does no good"

Tycho Chelchu says, "No Sir"

You say, "eventually kah you will be the master of the universe :) and will be able to tank anything"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Even pookey?"

Braxis Prague says, "Kah = She-Ra"

You say, "lol if you need advise where to hunt.. post on our boards at lostlight.org, and i'll give some hints on where you could go"

Con doin pug says, "lmfao"

Kahlann says, "geee i will settle for queen of dereth "

You say, "include what buffs you use regularly, and what level/class you are of course"

Kahlann says, "ok thank you"

You say, "np :) Ok ladies and gentlemen"

Son-Goku says, "U will be able to kill Elysa and marry Asheron"

Soul-Fist says, "361.51775 is my adjusted loyalty i took off 24 hours cause i was undersomeone else before rune lol"

You say, "Now I really really don't want anyone to go to their patron or vassal and go"

You say, "WEN HAS EXP CHAIN LETS GO!!! I WANT TO BE UBER!!!111"

You say, "I don't want that lol"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Hey Brax?"

Soul-Fist says, "Doh thats what i did lol"

Villige Idiot says, "why? i am allready uber =)"

Sunja al-Zud says, "Uber.  mmmmmmm."

Braxis Prague says, "yeah?"

You say, "I want fluid communication and well-prepared questions/answers to come to me when available"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Wen-Kai says, "WEN HAS EXP CHAIN LETS GO!!! I WANT TO BE UBER!!!""

Tycho Chelchu says, "Brax I SOO Wanna be UBER!!"

Son-Goku says, "WEN HAS EXP CHAIN LETS GO!!! I WANT TO BE LIKE GOKU........... I MEAN UBER!!!"

You say, "I will be posting a transcript of this meeting on the webpage, so your friends can see what we have discussed etc"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

Villige Idiot says, "lol"

You say, "It will be a lot to read, but I hope they will read it for the sake of your interests"

Sunja al-Zud says, "hehe"

Con doin pug says, "Your vassal Kahlann says to you, "hey WEN HAS AN EX CHAIN AND I WANT IN PLEEEEZE""

Rythor grins, "3 hour meeting - just like the old days."

You say, "lol"

Soul-Fist says, "lol"

Sunja al-Zud says, "lol"

You say, "woooooot poopyhead!!!!!!!"

Son-Goku says, "Hi Rythor"

You shake your fist.

Magalladon says, "Rythoooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Rythor says, "I was about to try and find a transcript of this actually"

Con doin pug says, "lol"

You say, "wc poopy :)"

Braxis Prague breathes heavily.

You say, "lol"

You say, "I'll be posting it tonight since I imagine there will be a lot of talk about it"

You say, "This will either be the end of me, or the rebirth of me :)"

Rythor says, "I read the post.... the looooong post"

Soul-Fist says, "hope a rebirth here"

Sunja al-Zud says, "think happy thoughts.  :)"

Rythor says, "Marvin my ole dancin buddy"

You say, "the worst possible thing that can happen is a friend who misunderstands my motives feels betrayed."

Son-Goku says, "Wen-Kai the Phoenix. He's back from death"

You say, "yes ghaz!!! all ur dolls are on display to honor your name :P"

You say, "lol"

You say, "woooot goku :) I surely believe that will be the outcome of this project"

Soul-Fist says, "oh oh quest time?"

You say, "Well without further ado, I'd lke to close this meeting, and thank you all for being so patient"

Rythor says, "I read the post.... the looooong post"

Tycho Chelchu says, "Simply put, Wen-Kai "Da Pimp""

Rythor says, "doh"

Sunja al-Zud says, "lol"

Tycho Chelchu says, "WOOT!!! Focus stone time baby!!!!"

Soul-Fist says, "Who wants to do focus stone say I"

Tycho Chelchu pleads for mercy.

Soul-Fist says, "I"

Villige Idiot says, "I"

You say, "If you are interested in joining this projecto, pls communicate with your patron and vssals first, and direct them to the transcript I will post tonight. Thank you all for coming!"

You say, "***meeting adjourno***"